I have a great fondness for the Gauge. And when it comes to The Gauge, I am a firmly in the House of Remington and consider the 870 to be where it’s at.
I’ve considered and examined and have fired all the Semi Autos out there. The M4 is certainly the Mercedes Benz of the class. However at it’s price… a Thousand Dollars more than most everything else, is it worth it? Man, I don’t know. It’s cool… but I am not sure its a Grand More of Cool.
You know what gun I keep coming back to? The 1187. Reason? I like the position of the Bolt Release. To unleash that bolt on a Tactical Reload, it’s center bottom, easy to get to and faster than a tiny little button that everyone has positioned in the worst possible place. A small button with no geographic reference point on the gun… just alone in the field of the receiver some place where your hand can get struck by the charging handle if you don’t get it out of the way. Every semi auto in current production that feeds from a Tube does this and they are all wrong… all save for the Remington 1187.
I believe this to be a key advantage. Because regardless of how many shells your tube gets stuffed with, its going to go dry and you are going to have to do a fast tactical reload. I think this is a winning position. Not only that, but the 1187 can run the same iron sights that you can on the 870, making it scary accurate with slugs.
This is why my pick on the Semi-Auto Shotgun for fighting… the 1187. For impressing other guys, the M4 remains just fine.
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Have to say, the guns I go to the most are Glocks, AK’s, and 870′s.
The 23 in .40, remains my most favored handgun for CCW. The model 20, in 10mm is coming in second. The more I use the Glocks… the more I like them. Not just an appreciation for the function… but liking them for the way they feel and point, the triggers… The elegant simplicity of them… I just really like Glocks now. I don’t know… maybe it’s the crash… but I really dig them and the more I’m around them, the 19 and 23′s stand out as the perfect handguns to me – even more so than the 1911 now. Yup. They crossed that line for me. I like them more than 1911′s. No they are not the prettiest, but they are still beautiful. Kinda like the Girl Next Door that you grew up best friends with and there is that moment when you realize “You want that.” That’s Glock.
My Crusader Kalashnikov is more and more my go to rifle. I just really feel an attachment to it. It suits me to a T. It can hit. It’s reliable. Mag changes are getting much faster and everything is “Clicking”. And I get more satisfaction out of running the Kalash well than running an AR well.
For the 870′s, my adopted Police Tactical is my favorite. I have my other 870′s and they are cool and all… but something about that old wood furniture. Nothing says I am going to “Jack You Up” like an old wood stocked gun… You just know you are going to get an old school beating. The warmth it has when you handle it. Wood is an under appreciated material to a whole generation of shooters and I find that a sad state. Poly is fine – but Wood is finer. Especially nice grained wood with character. Again, Wood stocked guns have “Soul” that Poly guns just don’t have and never will. They can’t. I’ve said that before… And when I pick up that old Police Tactical… You can feel it has a History of Kicking Ass and all that experience is backing you up giving you some extra confidence. A new 870 Tactical with a plastic stock – it’s like a new Police Rookie with his first pair of Mirrored Cop Shades. The authority is there… maybe even the skill is there… But not the Character and Experience – that Soul just isn’t there.
These are my Guns of Choice. What are yours?
Remington has brought out their Versa Max in a Tactical version. It has their breaching choke, extended feed tube, a small section of rail up front to mount a light, and a rail over the top of receiver for an optic, oversized bolt release… all fine and good.
But Remington has once again proven that they just don’t really get what tactical really is. They have some guys working on the 870 that know Tactical, and that’s about where they stay. Because they just got it wrong.
They took the Versa Max, which is a gun that can shoot all 3 sizes of Shot Shells, and neutered it so it can’t shoot the 3 1/2″ shells. This was the whole point of the Versa Max, and they ruined it. Then they are keeping it as long as Punt Gun. The 8+1 capacity is nice, but good grief this is a long gun… In WWII Germans shot down Spitfires with these things. ”Ja das ist das 88mm Waffe für den Abschuss Flugzeuge.”
So it’s not a real tactical gun for anything… but what makes it interesting is that this is almost ideally made for something. 3 Gun. This has all the features suited for the growing sport, and it’s going to have a very reasonable price… So for you guys looking into getting into 3 Gun and you want a Semi Auto, I think Remington has the gun for you.
For me and what I’d want, I’d want the barrel cut down to 18″, ghost ring sights, and a pistol grip with an adjustable stock that isn’t an AR stock. Maybe next month, Remington? Oh, and maybe, if it would help – let it keep the 3 1/2″ shells just for fun.
Those new Magpul 870 stocks. I know I said I wasn’t digging them… But now I’m actually considering getting another 870, just for those stocks.
What’s wrong with me?
We transfered through a Remington 700 LTR rifle today. If I was to have taken my XCR Compact Tactical Rifle, and sprayed it down with flat black Krylon, that’s just what it would have looked like… but without everything that makes the XCR so much better.
Granted the LTR is a bit less money… However you do not get the Trinite Coating that makes the XCR completely weather resistant. The LTR is just a cheap matte finish that didn’t look or feel very good. The polishing on the bolt and action makes the XCR so much smoother… and the LTR doesn’t have the X40 trigger system that is so much better than LTR’s trigger. I’m not sure what trigger the LTR has in it… but it didn’t feel nearly as good as the XCR’s. It couldn’t have been an X40. For a couple hundred bucks more than the LTR, you could get the rifle that I think is so much better. Somethings are worth splurging some extra cash for… seriously, get the XCR if that’s what you are in the market for.
I’m pretty much a fan of Magpul and everything they have been trying to do. They have made some very good stuff.
Now they have turned their attention to the classic and undying Remington 870 Shotgun. I’m not sure if I’m on board with it.
At first, I thought it looked cool… But then as I looked at it, I started thinking that the Cadillac CTS-V styling just doesn’t work on the 870. I look at the 870 and feel that it’s more organic and the Magpul stuff is just too synthetic. The stock looks like its too large and possibly heavy. Awkward. I don’t like the grip angle either. It seems… I don’t know… off. The MOE treatment is cool up front, but I would have hoped for a more CTR set up at the buttstock instead of what they got going on.
The 870 Tactical got stripped… then Cerakoted Gun Metal Grey.
The funny thing about this, was that I did it Saturday night… Sunday morning I woke up late. So I jumped into the shower, threw on some clothes, ran out to the Crusader Coating Laboratory and grabbed the gun. Inside, I just slapped all the parts together and we ran out to the Gun Show. Just before the show starts, I pick up the shotgun again and rack it. JAM. WTF? I look into the action and I see Magazine Spring. What? AAahahhh… I forgot the Magazine Follower. Ran back to Crusader HQ, there’s the follower sitting right on the work bench. I need a new follower though… I don’t like the cheap plastic one that comes stock in the Remingtons. Brownells offers a Stainless one that looks pretty good. I might do that one.
Also, that “Tactical Choke” as Remington calls it. It’s a breaching choke. Designed not for shooting – but for Breaching. I’m going to pop in an Improved Cylinder choke. Maybe a Modified. Maybe one of those extended ones. I like those.
Here’s the deal. HOW THE HELL DO YOU REALLY IMPROVE SOMETHING THAT IS FREAKING AWESOME AS IT IS? Crusader is doing it… A killer action job that makes the 870 just stupid slick…. but what else does it really need? What parts can we put on them (or the Mossberg) that is going to actually give you a tangible benefit that makes the weapon more effective and the user more efficient with it? There isn’t a lot. Oh, there’s tons of options for you… catalogs full of stuff. But what really works? Not much. But my mission is to find it.
My 870 Tactical is now sporting Crusader’s ST-1 Treatment. We blasted Slipstream into the bolt mechanism, carrier and plate. The action bars were carefully stoned, polished, and then oiled with Slipstream. The results were dramatic. The Tactical now practically cycles its self like an assisted opening knife. It’s smoother than a Wingmaster or a BPS.