Magpul Industry P-Mags don’t have Magpuls?
Colorado passed a very strict Anti-Gun measure today. It bans ammunition magazines above 15 rounds capacity. It also bans the manufacturing of higher capacity magazines.
Because 15 rounds is a reasonable number.
This is where MagPul comes in, as everyone knows, MagPul makes one of the very best magazines for AR-15 rifles. Some say the best. I have several and yes, they are indeed very good magazines. But now Colorado has basically said they can’t make them anymore. MagPul’s only options are to either A, comply with the law, or B, leave the state.
MagPul has said that if this law passes, they would be forced to leave Colorado. And since it did pass, I think it’s time get to moving. I think as Industry Leaders, MagPul has to. A solid message has to be sent to these Anti-Gun states. You can not be Anti-Gun, and yet enjoy the wealth that resident Gun Companies provide. MagPul gives a huge amount of money to the State of Colorado. Through Taxes directly, and through the Taxes paid by MagPul’s Employees via State Income or Sales Taxes. These Employees also cycle the businesses of others… because they need food, drink, shelter, entertainment, and everything else that people spend their money on. And Colorado as basically said “We don’t want you, but we don’t want to lose your Money.” That’s nice.
I’d like to see MagPul pull up their stakes and head out. Utah would be a great place to go, but I believe Texas has been mentioned. Doesn’t matter. Just go. Show Colorado that their stupid legislation as cost them and the MagPul’s community a great loss. I’d like to see all of MagPul’s employees move too. I know this is hard, but it would show the rest of the country what happens when they legislate a company out of business. This would send a message to the other Anti-Gun States, and Companies effected, such as Remington and Kimber behind enemy lines in New York.
Don’t reward Anti-Gun States with your Money.
This is Voting with your Feet. Rewards States that value your Rights, and Punish those that want to infringe on your rights. We need all of our brothers across the industry to look at a Relocation if they are in a State that wants to crush our Liberty. The Shooting, Hunting, and Outdoor Trade industry is almost a 5 Billion Dollar Industry. That’s a pretty big pull if it could be used wisely and all together. Thousands of small companies and employees. Some pretty big companies as well. Anti-Gun States should not get any slices of this pie.
And what is this 15 round limit supposed to accomplish? I can reload a Magazine in my AR in about a Second Flat. Same with any number of my handguns. Is this limit supposed to slow me down? Slow down a Crazed Psycho? How is this supposed to be of any benefit for the people of Colorado?
You know what happens when people are limited on the number of rounds they can have? They opt for bigger rounds. If I can’t have 30 rounds of .226, I might as well have 15 rounds of .458 or such. This is what we saw during the utterly pointless Clintonian AWB… High Capacity 9mm’s were limited to 10 so what did people do? They went to .45′s and we saw a huge resurgence of popularity for the 1911 pistol. Generally they only hold 8 rounds, but they are 8 rounds of a potent and military proven ordinance. So instead of limitations the American Gun Owner ramped it up and went with as much power as they could handle. This is going to happen again. Trust me. Go ahead and do an outright ban on AR-15 type rifles. A rifle that uses ammunition with pictures of Rodents on the box. And people will opt for rifles such as the Marlin Guide Gun that is fast handling and easy to use… and fires a round that damn near causes the Genocide of America’s Buffalo and can Curb-Stomp damn near everything that lives and breathes, walks and crawls, on this planet. From Prairie Dogs to African Elephants. .45-70 is a Monster of a Cartridge. But that’s okay, because it’s not fed through the rifle by a Box with a Spring in it… Whatever, you Liberal Idiots, you do what you feel you must. As will we.
Limit me to even one shot. And I’ll use a rifle that fires projectiles the size of Coke Bottles that could punch through Armor Plate like it was tissue paper.
Here’s the other thing about the AWB. Their are millions of these high capacity magazines out there. All a Ban does is make them a little more expensive and you change where I get them from. Because during the AWB, I still bought, sold, and traded many a High Capacity Gun. It really didn’t effect me. And I’m nothing special.
Prohibition didn’t effect people from getting a Drink either. For all it’s Liberty Crushing Efforts, what turned out from Prohibition was that it became more popular than ever to Drink and it ushered in a new form of Organized Crime into the USA to supply the demand of Booze. I remember staying at a big house in Northern Illinois some time ago. Big nice house. Had a huge – HUGE – ballroom and Bar. This house was a “Speak Easy” during the Prohibition Era. So you couldn’t go to the local bar that had to close down, that was almost closing anyways… you came to this house… which was bustling with people enjoying what they were not supposed to be enjoying. The owners of this house did quite well for themselves.
Much like the Drug Trade is doing now. Prohibition hasn’t stopped illegal drugs. In fact, you can now have former illegal Drugs in Colorado, Weed, and you can smoke it all you want. But you can have a Magazine that holds 16 rounds or more. How is that working out? Considering that we now have Drug Cartels warring for control of Mexico and Central America, openly, taking on the Mexican Government head to head.
This is all especially stupid considering that with a cheap 3D printer you can PRINT your own 30 round Magazines. You can make one as easy as clicking “PRINT”. Come on. Use some Common Sense, People. Gun Laws put people in Danger. If Gun Laws worked, Chicago would be one of the Safest Places in the World. Chicago would be a Utopia of Peace.
Because Gun Laws don’t work.
I really like this stock.
While popping in for a visit to Get Some Guns to test out our Broadsword Rifle, I picked up a MagPul AFG for my Kalash. At Crusader HQ, I also applied a permanent Slipstream treatment to my AK’s bolt/carrier group. Slicked that up big time. AK’s are never to be considered a Slick Rifle… and this one is still not so much. However, compared to other AK’s… DAYUM. This is one SLICK freaking AK! I love it.
Okay, back to the AFG… I didn’t realize that Magpul now makes two versions of the AFG, the normal one and a smaller thinner one. For my AK, I went with the Regular Full Sized Magnum AFG. It fit really well. It looks awesome and feels awesome. I love it. Video review of it will be made soon.
I can’t stop playing with this AK now. I took it to work hoping I’d get a chance to run out to the range on my lunch break to pop some rounds, but that didn’t happen. Instead I pulled off the highway on the way home from work after close – after dark – and drove about 200 yards (honest officer, I thought I was 200 yards) down a dirt road. Blasted through about 40 rounds of 7.62x39mm. I wanted to shoot more, but it was pitch black and I had no targets… but man. That was fun. AK muzzle flash in the dark is fun stuff. The gun is nice and controllable and I find that the AFG helps me get into proper position naturally. I just naturally Vulture Down on the gun.
Did I mention that it looks sweet? Oh yeah. It looks awesome.
The AFG solves a problem with using a Vertical Grip. I have plenty of room to rock out a mag and rock in a new one. A VFG can block the mag from rocking. And I want to rock as much as possible… so there you go.
I’m pretty much a fan of Magpul and everything they have been trying to do. They have made some very good stuff.
Now they have turned their attention to the classic and undying Remington 870 Shotgun. I’m not sure if I’m on board with it.
At first, I thought it looked cool… But then as I looked at it, I started thinking that the Cadillac CTS-V styling just doesn’t work on the 870. I look at the 870 and feel that it’s more organic and the Magpul stuff is just too synthetic. The stock looks like its too large and possibly heavy. Awkward. I don’t like the grip angle either. It seems… I don’t know… off. The MOE treatment is cool up front, but I would have hoped for a more CTR set up at the buttstock instead of what they got going on.
I know you guys are working on a Quadstack Magazine for the AR-15/M-16 Family of weapons. Surefire beat you to the punch as you well know and this leaves you trying to enter a market that has competition. You will do well with it, but you wont do as well as you had once hoped.
So I have an idea for you. Take that Quadstack concept, and apply it to a weapon system that could really use it. The AK-47. As you guys are locked on and high speed, you guys know that the AK-47 is a great weapon with a lot of fans world wide. You also know that the AK is limited when the Shooter has to drop down into the Prone shooting position. You are forced to be up higher from the ground than you may want to be in a dynamic active situation, or you have to tilt the weapon or even go all the way sideways. This is less than optimal. So I propose that you make a Quadstack AK Mag that is as short as possible, while still holding 30 rounds, and then another one of higher capacity going no longer than standard AK length, maybe 40, 50, or even 60 rounds. Personally, I’d stick with the Short 30 for most situations. This would allow the AK Operator to prone out nice and low and still have a full capacity mag on tap. Every serious AK Operator in Western Civilization would be lining up to buy these.
You make a Short 30, and you’ll have a Home Run product that isn’t a cell phone case. If you hustle, you can get some of these ready for SHOT Show.
Please consider this. Thanks.
The Ogre from MadOgre.com, WeTheArmed.com, and Crusader Weaponry
So Travis Haley leaves MagPul… and now Chris Costa is jumping ship?
MagPul is in serious trouble now because when you have to two biggest rock stars in the industry that makes your products look cool and sets them apart from everything else, and then you don’t have those guys anymore. What do you have? You have a company that makes makes AR accessories… just like a whole bunch of other companies… CMMG, Mako, Tango Down… too many to list. So what is going to set them apart now?
And what guys are going to have the balls to stand up and take Costa’s place in MagPul’s training? I know one guy. That’s it. And he’s running his own company. I know there are going to be a couple huge egos that are going to want to try to step up for this… I have two names written down that I’m not going to say. Huge egos, decent trainers, sure. But they are not the rock stars that Travis and Chris are and I seriously doubt they are going to be able to pull off what MagPul has done in the past.
I think MagPul is on its way out like a lot of other good companies. Because it’s not the product that makes the company – it’s the people. And MagPul isn’t going to find people like Travis and Chris. They were the faces of MagPul.