As we’ve been tracking the FUBAR situation with Recoil Magazine, we’ve watched as many of their top shelf Advertisers drop those idiots like a hot potato. And rightfully so.
The magazine has put out another official statement. I’ll post links tonight, but let me paraphrase their message for you:
“You Slimy Handed Cake Eaters… How dare you question us! We have over 26,000 likes on Facebook! Screw you all and your views of Gun Ownership. We will not listen to you rednecks in Fly Over States! Go pound sand!”
Well, that’s what I read into their message… I’ll link up the actual message tonight when I get home.
So basically they are not going to get rid of the idiot Editor, JT, who caused all this mess.
That’s fine. That’s their choice. It’s their magazine and they can do or say anything they want.
But we don’t have to listen, read, or buy their magazine or the products of those that are continuing to support Recoil.
Over the weekend since Monday, they have lost a big chunk of advertising, industry support, and popularity. This new message from the Publisher has only made matters for them worse.
Here is the message:
RECOIL Magazine’s Position:
In light of some of the comments and complaints made about a paragraph in a recent article about the Heckler & Koch MP7A1, Recoil wishes to make the following points clear:
· It is simply not credible for anyone to question Recoil’s support for, and commitment to, the Second Amendment. Recoil is first and foremost a gun lifestyle magazine, aimed at the modern shooting enthusiast.
· The opinions in the paragraph in question accurately reflected those of the manufacturer, and should have been reported as direct quotes. Recoil acknowledges the way the paragraph was written has caused unnecessary confusion.
· Jerry Tsai, a passionate gun enthusiast and the visionary behind Recoil magazine, will remain as editor of Recoil.
We thank you for your support and understanding.
Quite honestly, if you read the article, it was one paragraph that was actually quoted from the manufacturer and we did not state it that way. Recoil has 26,000 likes on face book and the magazine has only been out for three issues and issue number 4 is just hitting the streets. I honestly believe that this will not hurt the magazine. I have not lost anyone as a result of this and do not expect to.
Joe Galloway
Associate Publisher
5.0 Mustang & Super Fords
Muscle Mustangs & Fast Fords
Phone 813-675-3493
Fax 813-675-3557
Email joe.galloway@sorc.com
Assistant: Jennifer Conklin 813-675-3507
Some guys have blamed HK for this because they will not sell the MP7 to Civilians. This is unfair to HK. I sat in a meeting with the President of HK, and I spoke with him personally about the whole “You Suck and We Hate You” thing. Yes, HK is very well aware of Master Correia’s thrashing of them, and admitted that it was actually justified. He stressed the lengths they are going to to try to turn that image around. As a dealer, I have seen the results of their efforts. Calling up HK now is like calling up a totally different company. According to German Law – HK is based in Germany after all – they are not allowed to sell the MP7 to Civilians. German Law says because such weapons have no sporting purpose they can’t export them to the US… unless it’s to a Law Enforcement Agency. So it’s not HK saying that you suck and they hate you – It’s the German Government saying you suck and they hate you. The president of HK would love to sell you and me and our friends, HK MP7’s and SL8 rifles with full magazine capacities. Of course they would… they are a Commercial Company. They want to make money.
Recoil Magazine however has taken all this too far saying “Thank heavens we can’t get our slimy hands on guns like these.” We can’t handle firepower of this magnitude! Never mind we can get AR-15 rifles with 100 round magazines topped with optical gunsights that were science fiction 10 years ago. FNH PS90 carbine/SMG’s with 50 round mags. (Just so you know, Belgium isn’t in Germany) Recoil has persisted in showing us their ass and has given us the middle finger for saying “Hey, that’s not right!”
As a result, we need to persist in the flogging of Recoil Magazine and those that continue to support them in Advertising and on Facebook. Simple as that. We can’t have a supposed Gun Magazine that prints Anti-Gun Bullshit. Yes, what they said was Anti-Gun… it’s exactly what the Anti-Gun Liberals say. Looking for Sporting Purpose justifications is pretty much saying that you don’t know shit about the Bill of Rights, the US Constitution and of you hang on to the Sporting Purpose BS, then you are NOT “Pro-Gun”. We don’t need this in a magazine acting like they are. We don’t need Recoil. We need Recoil to Go Away if they are not going to Change. And that Change is the dismissal of “JT”.
Oh, one more thing. Make sure you UNLIKE Recoil Magazine on Facebook.
Apparently JT is incapable of learning from Zumbo’s mistake.
Yup, he sounds like a libtard that got what he thought was a Maxim style gig.
Burn the fucker down to the waterline, and shoot the survivors while they tread water.
How damn stupid is he!?!? Let’s say that he 100% believes that only the only people that should have stuff like this are cops and .mil. Who was the target audience for that magazine? It sure wasn’t cowboy action shooters or hunters. It was people that like non-sporting guns. Did he really think that people wouldn’t be pissed? How hard would it have been to just say, “hey, I am dumb ass and I never should have said that?” Instead, he keeps digging a bigger hole.
I picked up Recoil the first time yesterday while getting my folks meds filled. Thought it was cool the HK was a neat little gun and I’ll admit I thought about shooting squirriels with it(I know its not practical but who hasn’t dreamed about squiriel with a full auto). Then I got to the part about good thing you can’t use this I thought “Asshole”. Everyone knows we can’t have one without a class 3 but its nice to dream. Not only is JT an asshole he’s also a tease…..showing all that gun porn then telling us we can’t have it. If I had anything to do with Facebook i would unfriend the hell out of them.
“That’s fine. That’s their choice. It’s their magazine and they can do or say anything they want.
But we don’t have to listen, read, or buy their magazine or the products of those that are continuing to support Recoil.”
Exactly right. That mag and that Editor are welcome to prosper elsewhere without the patronage or support of me and mine. JT is determined to be a conceited prat and we all see that very clearly. I applaud the companies that have chosen to part ways with Recoil.
For what it’s worth, I just checked on Facebook (it’s about 1:AM MDT Thursday morning, 13 Sep), and Recoil Magazine only has 3400+ likes anymore. If they had 26,000 on the 12th, something really bad happened to them. I admit that I never went to their page before, so I don’t know the veracity of their claim.
I intended to “like” them, solely in order to “unlike” them. Does that make me a bad person? But given the relatively low number of likes, I chose to ignore them instead.
Unfortunately that’s Recoil Magazine, “West Michigan’s Music and Alternative Press” and not RECOIL. The latter’s got all the angry comments and nearly 27000 “likes”
> Just so you know, Belgium isn’t in Germany
Although, not for lack of effort on the part of the Germans!
This is what H&K had to say about this today:
“Some readers have misinterpreted a recent feature story in RECOIL magazine as a reflection of HK policy. Heckler & Koch has a long presence in the US civilian market and throughout that time has been an ardent and passionate supporter of the Second Amendment and the American civilian shooter. This will always be the case. The contents, opinions, and statements expressed in that feature story are those of the writer, not Heckler and Koch’s. Additionally, the writer and RECOIL magazine have issued a clarification and apology for the ill-chosen words used in the story.
The HK MP7A1 4.6 mm Personal Defense Weapon mentioned in the story is a selective-fire product (capable of “full automatic” fire) and is currently restricted to military and law enforcement agencies by BATF. HK-USA has previously researched introducing similar commercial products, chambered in 4.6 mm, but it was determined that the final product would not have enough appeal or be legally feasible.”
— Heckler & Koch USA
Wow, so RECOIL is saying they basically paraphrased H&K but should’ve qouted them for clairity and now H&K is calling RECOIL liars for never making that statement…I wonder who’s going to come out on top of this pissing contest. Way to start a print magazine & back up your editor.
I believe HK.
According to their Facebook page, Jerry Tsai just stepped down, effective immediately.
I would have to disagree with not being able to” blame” HK. While I wouldnt ask them to make an unprofitable product they should not have produced the weapon at all, or at least not made it available to anyone in the states. German law does not dictate American rights and according to HK they have a manufacturing facility in TN. Make the gun there and they wouldnt have to worry about german laws. They made a choice to not do that, and from the sound of their statement it sounds just as “insulting” as anything JT said. While I see the argument about what he said being bad, I dont see how you can accept the excuse of “german law” wont allow it. Last time I checked they lost the war that prevented that kind of thing.
Everyone:
I just checked Recoil’s website to see what new advertisers have filled up the space vacated when this matter first came to attention. Happy to say they’re down to hawking breakfast cereals and EBay as sponsors today. (Cheerio’s, anyone!)
More importantly, they have announced the resignation (accepted) of their Editor….Jerry…and they hope to find a new Editor ASAP….and they hope their loyal readers will return!
I think a special thanks must be afforded to the original sponsors who quickly realized the threat and took decisive action to remove it. As well as those of us in the community who will not allow the “death of a thousand cuts” to erode our 2nd Amendment rights!
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/13/the-most-interesting-man-obama_n_1881292.html
You know this has gotten much, much worse, “The Most Interesting Guy In The World” held a fundraiser for Obamie… Up in the Northeast…
Folks, I’m not making this up…
Lose Dos Equis…