SIG sent me one of their ACP units. This Video gives some of my impressions. On YouTube there was one comment worth note.
“For that weight you could get a Kel-Tec Sub 2000…and WAY MORE ACCURACY AND VELOCITY.”
Probably one of the most astute observations ever made on YouTube. He has a good point. However the ACP remains much more compact. The SUB2000 is about the same size when folded, and that makes it easy to pack around, but then when deployed, it’s pretty much as long as a standard carbine. The ACP remains the same size packing and engaging. It also uses a gun that you are familiar with… one of your own pistols… With a Trigger Pull that is far superior to the KT’s. And as far as I know, you can’t get the SUB 2000 in .357 SIG, 10mm, .45 Auto, .400 Corbon, .45 Super, .460 Roland… or any of the myriad of other cartridges you can rock and roll with in the ACP.
When I brought the ACP to work, the general consensus was that while it is “Cool” it’s actual usefulness remains limited… because it doesn’t have a Shoulder Stock. Now, you can jump through the hoops and get your Class III Approval and get a Shoulder Stock for your SIG ACP… Then you have an actual Pistol Caliber SBR… Fullfilling the promise of SIG’s name the “Adaptive Carbine Platform”. With out it… Shooting from the Sling is helpful and does stabilize the shot, it’s no where nearly as solid as a simple shoulder stock.
Also, for you Gaming Nerds out there, we’ve come up with a D20 Rule for you guys. For every 2 Inches of Rails your gun has, you get a +1 to your Hit and Damage. So the SIG ACP will give you about a +5 to your basic gun. IRL, the ACP is just making your gun bigger, more uncomfortable, heavier, and less convenient to carry because I’ve yet to see anyone make a Holster for this beast.
Like I said before, in the video… The SIG ACP does has it’s applications. I also mentioned that it would be cool for riding a Motorcycle. I’ve proved that theory TRUE. I rode into town on my ZX-11 (Knees doing slightly better and I’m on some really good painkillers) with the SIG ACP, as shown, slung. Packing a Handgun, I would have to either open my jacket to get to the Shoulder Rig or get up under my jacket to get to a pistol in a Belt Holster. The ACP, slung at the side allows for rather easy engagement as all I had to do was reach down, grab it, and bring it up to target. Not that I actually tried aiming it while on a moving motorcycle… I don’t live THAT far out in the boonies. In the video I mentioned my KTM and rolling the ACP up in the mountains. Uh… that would be a poor choice. The ACP bouncing around banging it’s sharp edges on you. Not fun.
Overall, I like it and it has it’s place, but I am going to send this thing back to SIG.
I’m thinking George Lucas must have joined SIG’s board of directors. Check this out.
That my friends, is a SIG P228. I used to have one. I liked it. So did other guys. But not enough to keep SIG making it. SIG discontinued it for many years. Then they brought it back, briefly, with the addition of a rail. Then they discontinued it again.
Now they are bringing it back with the Military Designation M11-A1. To the Milspec Guys, the A1 designation means it’s all revamped to the newest standards. And now some gun dudes (Not THE Gun Dudes) are getting all mushy about it. ”It’s a completely different pistol!” They say. Oh for the love… No, it isn’t. It’s a bloody P228! If I take my wife’s Ford Explorer, scoot the seat back, and spray A1 on the back with Krylon, this doesn’t make it a completely different vehicle, it’s still a Ford Explorer. And this M11A1 is still a P228… The same gun everyone ignored for the last 20 years. But now all the sudden because it’s being sold under it’s Military Designation, it’s somehow better. It’s just a 228. And that’s a good thing. The P228 is one my favorite handguns… It handles better than a 229, lighter too. It’s a great gun. But the way some guys are jizzing their pants about this is just crazy. Where were you guys 20 years ago when SIG dropped the 228? Because the M-11 has been around since 1989, used by the Military since then… and SIG still had to discontinue it because you guys were not buying it.
Hey SIG, just go ahead and Drop the “P” Designation of your pistols and make it “M”.
Unfortunately the adapter clamp wasn’t in the kit, so I can use it yet. But within moments of the ACP’s arrival, and my mentioning of this… SIG already has it on the way.
Yeah, its cool. If fact, I am not sure that SIG is going to get this unit back. I may have to buy it from them.
Last Saturday Headshot Willy brought out one of the new SIG P938 pistols. I’ve posted about it before… how cool I thought they were.
Well, at the Range, I was finally able to try my hand with it. The gun shoots as good as it looks. It was accurate and the recoil was plenty mild enough in 9mm. Very controllable.
My target was a small melon sized rock on a berm. 6 out of 6 hits. Plenty good enough for defensive use, and to convince me that one of these days I’ll have to own one of these pistols now.
We finally got in a couple of the little Beretta Nano’s. A very slim single stack 9mm. It’s a striker fired gun, much like the S&W Shield. For the same price, between the two, the Shield is easily the better gun.
The Nano looks nifty at first. Cool looking lines. Unfortunately it feels kind of awkward in the hand. The trigger pull isn’t bad… it’s no Sigma, but it’s not good. I’ll call it average. But the way the gun points and feels… it’s just… not there. It’s like the Italians designed it for looks to fit within a very small box, not to be an actual firearm for a human to use. Italians are great at designing for looks first and foremost. The only Italians that design for actual performance is Ducati… unfortunately they don’t make guns.
So the gun closest to the Nano, the Shield… Shield wins. Another Striker Fired single stack is the Walther PPS. Unfortunately Walther continues to struggle for relevance in the market, and I am no fan of the PPS. Like the Nano, just because you can make it that small – doesn’t mean you should. Yet it can be done right. SIG is very close to the same size as the Nano. And for the love of all that is good and holy in the world… I think the Germans made a better looking machine than the Italians. Cleaner lines, and it looks like there are no forgotten parts on the gun.
This SIG P290 as pictured does have a higher price tag, but it is coming with Tritium Night Sights and a Laser Module…. two features I rather like on a defensive pistol. I firmly believe that night sights are not optional on a defensive handguns – they are mandatory. SIG has great night sights. The Nano… not so much. The Laser is a bonus. The actions of the two guns show a greater disparity of quality. The SIG is much smoother than the Beretta, it’s like the difference between a night with a Hot Octoberfest Beer Maiden… and the Nano’s Prison Rape by your Cell Mate at San Quentin. Which one would you want to spend quality time with?
The SIG is much better feeling in the hand, and it has a slide release that is not in the way, obrusive, or awkward in anyway. It is there, and it works. Like it should. You don’t have to think about it. The Nano’s complete lack of it… What is this? A Magnum Research Micro Eagle? Come on. Kahr hangs a squared off mailbox off the side of their guns – but at least they have them. The Nano is trying to be slick by leaving the lever off. I’d rather have the mailbox, thank you. Beretta needs to look at the SIG to see how it’s done. Also, the SIG’s texture is superior. You can grip it and it’s not abrasive… it’s just… grippier. And it doesn’t snag clothes. Just like it should. The Nano… not so much. Oh, it’s snag free. But it’s also gripless. Gripless, Pointless… The SIG P290 just makes the Nano seem a cheaper, sadder thing. It’s a good thing it’s cheaper. It will appeal to those without the means to appreciate better. Like a Hi-Point. In fact, the Nano looks like shrunken an flattened Hi-Point. The SIG, looks like freaking SIG. A weapon you can trust. It feels like a weapon you can trust. And they actually shoot very well on top of it all! I’m sure the Nano shoots just fine… but do you really want to?
You guys know I’ve drank the Glock Cool-aide. I freely admit it. But I also remain an unabashed fan of the handguns from SIG SAUER. I just like them. Especially when SIG is coming out with very good ideas like the new P938.
Not much bigger than the P238, the little .380 automatic… the new P938 is essentially the same thing just scaled up slightly to fire the 9mm cartridge.
One of the guns that I’ve always wanted was a Colt Pocket 9. Colt gave the American Public the middle finger and my desire to pursue the Pocket 9 was squelched, but not totally killed in action. This kind of reminds me of that little Colt.
Really the only guns in the SIG’s class are the Kimber Solo, the Springfield EMP and SIG’s own P290. I’m not talking about the Kahr’s or the Walther or even the Shield… I’m talking about the Higher Class options here. The 938 just feels like it’s a step above to me. I think it’s a lot nicer than an EMP… again, that’s just me and I am not going to cut down on the EMP. I know it’s a great little pistol. I just like the 938 a lot more for reasons I can’t quantify for you. Same reason I like “Pralines and Cream” better than “Butter Pecan”. I can’t explain why… I love me some Butter Pecan. It’s one of my very favorites, but given the option between the two, I’ll take the Pralines and Cream every time. I don’t even know what the hell a Praline is.
Back to the SIG, the new 938 trumps the 290 hard. Lower bore axis, slimmer profile… just nicer. I know I tend to favor Single Action triggers or triggers that feel and work like Single Actions, so admittedly I am biased to the 938 over the 290. But taking the trigger out of the equation, the 938 is dimensionally smaller, which gives it an edge in concealment without sacrificing any ability for the gun to be a good shooter. So really the choice is between the 938 and the Solo.
The P290 just seems too chunky by comparison to the slender newcomer.
At the gun shop I work at, we are a house divided on the new SIG… Some of us prefer the SIG P938. And by Some I mean just me. Everyone else like the Solo better. Oh well. The SOLO is very smooth and sleek. But it’s too much of a good thing and I don’t feel like I can get a solid hold on it. It doesn’t point for me either. The 938 points very well for being so small, and I can get a good grip on it, even with my hamfists.
To me it comes down to that trigger pull. The SIG’s trigger is a Single Action that kept getting better the more we played with it, with the SOLO is a Double Action Only affair… While the SOLO’s trigger is nice, I find the SIG’s to be superior. Some will argue that accuracy with a Defensive Weapon such as these is a secondary concern… and they are right. But this doesn’t mean we have to disregard accuracy altogether. I am quite sure that in a defensive pistol accuracy remains quite important. Making that First Round Hit through a Vital is important. But, that’s just my opinion.
I’d love a SIG P938 and I just might have to get one, one of these days… and by one of these days I mean “as soon as possible.”
UPDATE: Thanks for the Hat Tip, SIG. *High Five*
I’m going to throw down some hate on a gun company favored by many. Kimber. They freaking suck. Kimber is backlogged so deep, ordering anything from them is freaking useless. The little Solo pistol they put out is virtually vaporware as we’ve had some on order since last summer and still haven’t seen any. We could have sold a hundred of them if we had them. The institutionalized corporate arrogance is astonishing. Last year we ordered a simple 9mm 1911 at the beginning of the year. It was a Christmas Present from a mother to her son and she knew Kimber was slow. We had estimated dates from Kimber and it looked to be fine. He didn’t get the gun till late January.
Kimber’s attitude is worse than their guns.
1400 dollar pistol and they put in plastic mainspring housings? Really? Come on.
We had some pistols that had waves inside the barrels. Kimber’s response was flippant. ”Oh, that wont effect accuracy.” The hell it doesn’t.
Brand new Tac Custom II’s… With Slide Release and Safety Levers that look like they went through a Rock Chipper. They didn’t want to send us new parts so we just sent the guns back to them and we had to pay for the shipping. Nice. And to top it all off – they only include 1 magazine. WTF? How useless can these people be? Come on. But people put up with all that BS because Kimbers have one thing going for them… They are Pretty. People will happily pay for arrogant, tacky, high maintenance shit if they are pretty.
What people are going for when they ask to look at a Kimber is a good quality 1911… If that is what you want – Get a SIG 1911. Seriously. In many cases, you will even pay less money for the SIG which is a much better built gun. Feature for feature you are about 200 bucks less for a better made SIG than for the similar gun made by Kimber. And you are going to get a more accurate gun as well. My SIG C3 spanked the hell out of my Kimber Tac Custom II and Custom II, and Warrior, and Raptor, and CDP Pro II. Look, if you have a Kimber that you like, that’s fine. Enjoy it and be happy. If you are looking to buy a Kimber… Buy a SIG. You will get a much better gun and it even comes with a spare magazine. How novel is that?
SIG has jumped on the pistol to PDW bandwagon. Joining ranks with Hera and CAA, SIG now has a kit you can attach your handgun into, to turn it into something different. Whatever it is, it’s not a Carbine and this is a poor use of the word. SIG would have been much better off to have simply created a real pistol caliber carbine.
There are a lot of critics of the result of turning your pistol into an SMG wannabe. Guys who want this would probably be better off with a real SMG type weapon such as an Uzi or Steyr TMP or something along those lines. These are your basic “PDW” platforms… Personal Defensive Weapons. They have their place and purpose. Now, converting your SIG or Glock into one of these type guns seems questionable to many. But when you lock your Glock into such kit, you do gain some things… Stability is one. Recoil is reduced and Control is enhanced… Accuracy is improved. Quicker target engagement and ease of target engagement is gained. If you use it properly as demonstrated in the video by SIG’s shooter. Holding the weapon out against the sling gives you an anchor point. It’s not as ideal as a stock, but it does work. The unit with the folding stock is better, but then you have an SBR. A Short Barreled Rifle. This is a Class III type firearm and as you can tell, it’s obviously more evil and malicious than using a floppy single point sling. One other thing to be aware of is that attaching a vertical foregrip as shown in the video, well that’s the spawn of Satan as well… Doing that creates a new form of wickedness called an AOW… or “Any Other Weapon”. Something the ATF has been unable to appropriately classify. So you can have this SIG ACP kit on your gun and legally it’s just a pistol still. Until you put that Vertical Foregrip on it and then you have an unregistered AOW. You can’t do that unless you go through the same Red Tape as you would to register your SBR. Now, you can put a Bi-Pod on your handgun. That’s legal. You can even fold down one leg as use it as a VFG… Because it’s still a Bi-Pod. So watch out for that. AOW’s, SBR’s… Oh my. So many ways to commit a felony.
The only thing that could make this SIG ACP any better would be to mount a Taurus Judge in it.
I keep coming back and looking at it, handling it… Yes, another 1911. Then I read a good review. I don’t know why, I am pretty much a Glock Guy now… I don’t need another 1911. I don’t even want another 1911… but I want this 1911.
Freak. Working at a Gun Store has a serious drawback.