If you were looking for new sub compact .380 pistol, Beretta has a new option for you.
As small as .380 Mouse Guns go, it looks good. Looks like it’s for little lady hands… I think I’d have to use chopsticks to hold it. But it’s cool looking, and it looks like it has good sights too.
92FS & 96FS. Standard Beretta 92/96 series. 3 dot sights. This is the classic. Used in every movie ever made through the 80’s. Used by Law Enforcement around the world during that time. It’s a great looking handgun. Solid. Accurate. Reliable. Shooting it is like driving a Cadillac. Much like the Cadillac’s of the 80’s, which were overly large, heavy, and under-powered. Yes, we make holsters for this.
M9 Commercial. Same as Military issue. Uses dot-bar sights, but otherwise identical to the 92FS. Used by just about everyone in the US Military who has no choice of what pistols they are issued. Those who have the option tend to roll with the SIG P226 or a 1911 (Looking at you, MARSOC) or really whatever they feel like at the time as long as it’s not the M9. Still, the M9 is a great pistol and will always be a great pistol. Yes, we have holsters for this.
M9A1. railed version of the M9 with checkering. Notice the straight and flat forward edge of the Trigger guard. You can see this was built to not just have the option of a light mount, but to actually run with a light mounted to it. I think they had the X300 specifically in mind when they designed this gun. Yes, we have holsters for this.
92A1/96A1. Railed version of the 92, but with a dovetailed front sight post, internal recoil buffers in the 96 version, no checkering like the M9A1, and note the rounded trigger guard. The rail is Picatinny and not the normal universal rail. This rail is bigger than the normal rail, which requires a completely different mold which we’ve not made yet. Beretta made this gun different from everything else, not because these changes made for a better pistol, but because Beretta doesn’t like you, or concepts like “compatibility”. NO, we do not have holsters for this at this time.
90-Two. Rounded trigger guard, new grips, and note the new slide profile. Sights are dovetailed, there is an internal recoil buffer, and note that the rails come with a removable Rail Cover over them. No, we do not have anything for this one, and we don’t need to as Beretta has killed off this gun. Probably the best of the 90 Series guns Beretta has made. And it’s a great looking and feeling gun too. But it didn’t sell very well, because Beretta doesn’t know how to market their tactical guns. That, and they gave it the worst name they could have possibly given it. How do you say that? “Ninety Two”. Just like their other gun, the “Ninety Two”. Brilliant.
There is a tidal movement to shooting pistols as quickly as possible. Instructors and wannabe “Know It Alls” are using 9mm to accomplish this. More bullets, smaller and lighter… rapid fire. This movement was very slow at first. Then The Art Of The Dynamic Handgun video came out. Haley and Costa rocking those M&P’s like they were SMG’s looked cool. Then all the sudden everyone wanted to shoot like that. Who wouldn’t? Those guys look like rock stars doing it.
Some instructors I know have been teaching that stuff for some time, but MagPul videos really did open the flood gates.
I understand the arguments and theory surrounding the use of 9mm and shooting fast… and that’s all fine and well. I can shoot that way myself if I want to… Even with a .40. However, I find myself moving more and more to bigger and harder hitting rounds. Slower fire but well aimed. Heavier for caliber load selections, bigger bullets, make the shots count. Shooting the 9mm’s the other day… 9mm Just doesn’t do it for me. Oh, I know all about the Modern Ammo. You know what? That Modern Ammo is really good in bigger calibers too.
Yes, I know all about Ballistic Gel Penetration comparisons. However that isn’t the whole picture when it comes to wound trauma and terminal ballistics. It’s not the whole picture when it comes to barrier penetration and deflection. Those Gel numbers are engineered, people. The results are just what the ammo companies want you to see. To get those numbers some loads are hopped and the others are neutered. Some rounds open more and others slower so those penetration numbers look great in the gel tests. Again – these Gel results are engineered to show just those results. Why? To sell ammo of course. “See, our 9mm is just as good as the rest.”
Porsche does the same with their sports cars. Boxster, Caymen, 911. The Caymen being detuned to fall perfectly in between the two other cars… when it has all the potential to beat the 911. But that’s another story.
I remember an incident where 9mm pistols were being fired at a windshield… the bullets were glancing off. One round of .45 Auto, fired by a steady hand penetrated that windshield and ended the situation. There are also incidents of 9mm failing to really even jostle a maniac when it impacted. FBI Miami Dade, anyone? Bank of American LA, anyone? The search for Magic Bullets is now as it has always been, an attempt to find a Unicorn. Don’t glue a paper cone on the head of a goat and tell me that’s its a Unicorn. I’m not buying it. Not even if you run a whole herd of them past me as fast as possible. They still look like goats with paper cones on their heads.
As far as “Fast” goes, fast is good. But fast follow up shots are not as important in a gun fight as the first round. That first shot is the most important shot you will take in any engagement. It needs to be made fast. But not at the sacrifice of accuracy. Shot Placement remains critical. Using a smaller round that can be fired at a higher cadence, if that’s your beat, that’s fine. I’m more Heavy Metal than Techno. I’d rather have slower heavier beats. See, I hear so many guys say, yeah but I’m more accurate with 9mm. I call bullshit. I’ve seen many guys who advocate shooting as fast as possible… cant keep a group. Why? Because they are losing the front sight and jerking that trigger like a 14 year old with a Playboy… They are giving up the Fundamentals in favor of Rapid.
Bullets hitting tissue is a rather predictable science. The only variables are the vector through the anatomy and the barriers the projectile have to penetrate before hitting that anatomy. The bullets all pretty much have the same effect. Displacing fluid (like rocks hitting water) and tearing and pulverizing the permanent wound channel. Bigger heavier rocks displace more fluid. That’s just a fact. Try it out at your closest body of water. That water gets displaced and then it comes back. In water, you have some cavitation effect briefly and what is left is the permanent wound channel that allows blood to flow out. The bigger the whole, and the more torn up that wound channel is, the more blood is going to flow out. That’s just a fact. And ask any hunter, the more blood you have flowing out, the less you have to track that deer. You put that wound channel vectoring through a heart, or CNS… Winner Winner Venison Dinner. That is meat on the table. For a defensive situation, that’s a Resolved Problem.
But then there is another problem. The fact of the matter is that no matter what school of thought you have – you remain legally liable for each and every round you fire. So I’m going to slow it down a notch. Fire a bigger and heavier bullet. And make sure those rounds go where I want them to go.
I know a few guys that can fire super fast, with accuracy. A few. And I’m not saying they should change… because that is working for them. But I’m just not feeling it myself using small calibers. I’m following Sun Tzu here. “Hit first, and hit so hard your enemy can’t hit back.
Sure, all handguns are less ideal than rifles or shotguns… but some are better than others. I’ll take my .40 calibers with my 180 grain loads. I’ll take my .45’s with 230 grain loads (when I used to prefer 185’s)
I think instead of drilling so much on Balance of Speed and Accuracy drills… I think more emphasis should be on the drills from the holster to the target from a Buzzer. Because that shot… that first shot right there is the key. You have to be fast on that shot. Before the threat can shoot you back or get to you with a knife, or cut the throat of a hostage or whatever reason you have that justifies the use of deadly force. I want to make the most of that first shot. I’m not looking at Gun Fight Averages here. Because most gun fights are 1 point something average or 2 point something. You know what they all have in common? That first shot.
Make the most of it.
I’ve been doing a lot of reading lately. And it always impresses me that even in the oldest books about shooting, trigger control is always mentioned as being critical. It was every bit as important “Back Then” as it is now. The only difference is that back then, they didn’t have trick sights with illuminated or fiber optic sights. They didn’t have mini red dots and lasers. What they had was Trigger Discipline.
Another thing they didn’t have was any form of decent technique or tactics.
But don’t think for a minute that if you were to go back in time you would be able to clean how.
Because back then ammo was cheap. Even by today’s dollars and their income levels back then, ammo was cheap. While they may not have been much on the Art of the Dynamics… They could hit. And no matter then or now, Hitting is Winning.
And here’s the deal… I bet you could take your Great Great Grandpa and give him your gun, and he could hit with it. But he gives you his gun, you would be hard pressed hit the black.
Today we’ve been very spoiled with good triggers and CNC Machined actions making everything much more consistent. So he would think your trigger was awesome. You, might not think the same of his. Not that his was bad… just different.
But the one thing he had that I bet most guys don’t… He knew what a good trigger pull was. Not the trigger and the mechanics of it, but the biometrics and the technique to have a good pull.
Had the chance to train with Steve Reichert today. Not as an Instructor, but as a Student. And I had a great time. Photos can be found here.
Steve Reichert puts on a top notch training class. It was an honor to train with a man of his experience and insight. I can honestly say that he made me a faster shooter. From 2.3 seconds to 1.42 for first round hits on steel from the holster. It was hot, muggy, and we had some rain showers, but we trained on.
Starting out, there was a lot of repetition in some core fundamentals that many instructors gloss over because they are not fun to train… but the Wax on Wax off approach to building good habits made the difference in building our speed and confidence.
Steve is a beast with his SIG P226. And he shows you how to do the same with your gun. Some people may be intimidated about going to a class taught by a certified professional badass like Steve, but I found him to be very personable, professional, without the elitist chest pounding. The same went with his assistant instructor. I was impressed. Excellent training. Some of you may not know who Steve is. Watch this:
The range was gorgeous… The Spartan Ranch in Maysville, NC. If you get a change to train there, with Steve… Take it. You will not be disappointed and you will come away sharper than when you first arrived.
Some time ago, Daewoo was importing a great little pistol into the US. Then for whatever reason, it was abandoned. Leaving all Daewoo pistols in the US orphaned.
I remember shooting one once and was very impressed. It was a great handgun. I liked it. The owner smiled and said I couldn’t buy it. I had offered him the 500 cash I had on hand, but he wouldn’t sell. At the time, I really wanted one myself. I believe I was living in Hanover County Virginia at the time. And that was a long time ago. Long after Daewoo stopped sending those guns to US Dealers.
Well, I have rediscovered these guns. They are now Lionhart Industries pistols. Here at work we have a couple in our vault and I’ve checked them out. They are ever better than I remembered them to be. And for some reason smaller and lighter than I remembered, but essentially they are that neat little Daewoo that I wanted so many years ago.
Check them out here… http://www.lionheartindustries.com/
The problem I have isn’t the position of the holster. You can Appendix Carry all you like. If the gun is in the holster, it’s fine. Drawing the gun from the holster, it’s fine. The problem comes from when you go to put the gun back in the holster. Too many people think it’s cool to reholster as fast as you unholster.
In what tactical situation do you ever need to put your gun away lightning fast? We see this usually just after whipping one’s head back and forth “scanning for threats”. This is where you need to take some time. Let’s think about this. You just had a kinetic situation. Your body is still in fight mode. Your blood is pumping like a Fire Engine and you are still amped up on Adrenaline. This is where you need to take a deep breath, let it out slowly… and then reholster… slowly. You need to take a second or two here. You may have caught a round and didn’t realize it.
A couple years ago now, we had an IDPA Shooter that failed to think. He was amped up on the stage, which is a hell of a lot less than the boost you’ll get from an actual shooting incident. He was using an XD, a very safe pistol. Until he reholstered with his finger on the trigger. No waiting to show clear or any procedurals were followed. He shot a string and then went to shove his gun in the holster. Finger was still on the trigger. The .40 cal projectile went down his leg and out with about as little damage as possible. He was lucky. What if he had been packing Appendix Carry? Ouch. Don’t even want to think about that. Other incidents like this have happened around the country. This wasn’t unique.
Never be in a hurry to reholster.
After shooting a target, come into a high compressed position with your finger off the trigger.
Scan the area for threats, and don’t take less than five seconds.
When the area is clear, take a deep breath and let it out slowly.
Then slowly and carefully reholster your weapon safely.
Never be in a hurry to reholster.
I normally don’t post emails that I get… namely because I just flat out get too many of them. And I may not answer them all. But I do read all of them.
My wife and I have been batting around the idea of purchasing a pistol or two for a few years now. Considering some recent events, on both national and local scales, we are making that more of a priority. We’ve visited our local Cabellas and a couple of independent shops, test fired a few pistols, and so on, but we’ve still got some lingering uncertainties about exactly what we want. With that in mind, I thought it might be worthwhile to ask someone who knows about guns, and isn’t going to try to swamp us with a load of BS in hopes of making a big sale – i.e. you. (If you already have something like this on your site, I apologize for missing it.)
I understand that “what do you recommend” is a difficult question to answer without some additional info, so here’s what I think you will need to know to provide some useful advice:
1 – The primary purpose will be home/personal defense, and by extension target shooting to build up the relevant skill and confidence that we’ll need to use the weapon properly.
2 – We’re reasonable sure that 9mm is the ammo size we want – Good stopping power with not so much recoil as to be problematic for inexperienced users like ourselves.
3 – We want our weapon(s) to be semi-automatics. I’ve seen enough that I am confident in the mechanical reliability of newer weapons, and we also like their recoil-damping capabilities compared to revolvers.
Here’s what we’ve tried so far, and our impressions:
Beretta 92FS / M9A1 – This is our overall favorite to date. We especially like how the decocking lever and slide release work, although when test-firing, the accuracy seemed a bit random. That could be our lack of skill, or because the specific weapon is a range gun that anyone can use, and has probably had 50,000+ rounds shot through it by now. We found the slide to be a bit stiff when racking in a round. I thought it would have been a bit large for my wife’s hand, but she said she was comfortable with it. I kind of wish the decocking lever were below the slide, but you can’t have everything.
Beretta PX4 – This was the easiest for my wife to use, and she also likes how the slide will not manually operate one a round has been chambered. I don’t care for that as much, as it seems to make removing a dud round without dropping the magazine difficult. The rotating bolt also seems to be more mechanically complex.
CZ 75 – This one seemed to be a knockoff of the Beretta 92 – This one seemed loose, our shots went all over the target, otherwise the differences we noted were mainly superficial.
Kimber Team Match II – This one was a near-immediate reject for us. The slide was so stiff my wife could barely operate it, and while the grip safety is nice, it seemed that when we racked the the slide, the lever safety would come off and we would have to manually re-engage it. Neither of us liked the thought of accidentally firing a round because the safety came off when we didn’t expect it.
I know there are many other manufacturers out there – S&W, Springfield Armory, Sig, Glock, Wathers, HK, etc. etc. etc. Each with various pros and cons, but if we spent the time to handle and test every one, we’d spend months thinking about it and enough money on range fees to have bought one or two pistols.
If there is anything else you need to know in order to make recommendations/suggestions, please drop me an e-mail.
This is how to write an email of this type… he gives me enough background information so that I might be able to give the best possible response. Because normally my response would be “Get a SHOTGUN and a GLOCK.” Because I know those work and without any additional information, that’s the best that could be done. “Oh, for you, I’d get the SIG 226. Absolutely the SIG 226.” Yeah, see, I can’t do that, because I don’t know you and that means everything. How big you are or are not, how you dress, where you go and how you get there etc. And this guy knows that I don’t know him, so he fills in the details.
No, don’t send photos of yourself… Unless you are a Smokin Hot Mamma wearing something small and thin. Other than that, just fill in the information like this guy did.
Now, to answer the question. Let’s get to it!
The Beretta is indeed one of the finest fighting hanguns you can get, and if your wife can handle it, it’s a solid choice. They are extremely accurate and reliable. Your evident problems with accuracy though, means it would require some additional range time with the gun, which is great, but you need to do that before you can carry it. So while I would recommend it… that’s a commitment you would have to make. I’ve sold several to women who say that like the feel and have no problem with the gun’s grip size, but it is large.
Mechanically the CZ and the 92 are about as different as a V-8 and a Wankle Rotary Engine. Both are great, but operate differently. And like the guns, I like both engines. The CZ is a great handgun, one of the best. In fact, the late Jeff Cooper hailed it as one of the most advanced 9mm pistols you could get. I’ve had several and all of them were very good. You can’t go wrong.
The Px4 Storm, is once again, a very different system mechanically and operates just like the 92 from the Operators standpoint when shooting. The upshot to the Storm is that more novice shooters will find the Storms to be more accurate and softer shooting thanks to that rotating action taking some energy from recoil.
For general use as you indicate, I’d say go for the Beretta Storm and get to know it better. The barrel and locking lug should be lubricated with some Slipstream Grease while the rest oiled normally with a good gun oil… such as Slipstream Styx. You can order those off Amazon.com or CrusaderWeaponry.com as you wish.
For some other pistol options, I am of course a fan of the Glocks. A Model 19 would fit the bill perfectly for both of you, if you can both handle a 92, the 19 would be no problem. A Gen 3 19 is the way to go as pulling the slide back for your wife will be no problem. Another pistol to look at if you can find one, is the Caracal F. Much like the Glock in that there is no exterior manual safeties, but the internals are different and the trigger is better, smoother. I really like the Caracal and have shot one rather a lot. I could probably be tempted to trade off something to get one. The Caracal has a grip more like the CZ and much less blocky like a Glock. Butter smooth action too. Take a look.
With these options, it’s just a matter of taste as to which one would best suit your needs.
So many shooters say they love the 10mm. But they’ve never owned one. They say that they would, if ammo was cheaper and more plentiful.
If they would actually step up and buy 10mm guns and buy 10mm ammo, then the Gun Industry would respond in kind. More guys buying 10mm, the more ammo would be produced, driving costs down. More variety would be produced. More gun makers would offer versions on 10mm.
But we won’t get that… Because 10mm is the Ron Paul of cartridges.
But could you imagine… An XDM, Beretta Storm, M&P, or a SIG… Anything from SIG… in 10mm?
I would buy a Beretta Px4 Storm Tactical in 10mm. I’d buy it ASAP. Hell, right now!
But then again, I have an active imagination.
Because the problem with the 10mm is also the gun options are so thin, no one is really interested in jumping into the 10mm bandwagon. Unless you like Glock or EAA, you ain’t getting a 10mm.
Here is a prediction.
Just like the first AWB brought back the popularity of the .45 Auto… I predict the next AWB will bring a surge of people to Ten Territory. 8 rounds of .45, you could have the full limit of 10 10’s. Think about that.
December’s Carry Gun is a SIG 1911 Scorpion in .45. I was lent it the other day and have enjoyed it so far.
I like the subdued earth tones of the Scorpion series. I don’t know if it is Flat Dark Earth or if it’s Coyote Tan, or if it’s Cream of Wheat. I don’t know the difference in Hues. But I do know that I’ve never seen any earth this color other than sand. Most dirt is Flat-Darker. But I guess Potting Soil isn’t a color OPERATORS would want on their guns. But SAND looks better for a serious shooter. Even if they live in the Pacific Northwest where Desert Colors just don’t happen all that much compared to Woodland or Jungle. But Jungle has gone out of Style… everything is Shitty Desert now. Anyways, the colors do work well in my area of Utah, which is Desert south of me and High Desert north of me.
SIG’s quality control in these 1911’s is fantastic. They’ve been the best sellers for the store for a few years now, and I don’t remember having any of them giving us a problem. I only remember sending 1 SIG 1911 back to the factory for a guy that was having problem with the slide not locking back… because it couldn’t possibly have been his thumb hitting the slide stop during recoil. Even if that SIG did have a problem mechanically that wasn’t Magazine or User Related – This represents the best track record of any brand for the 1911 Industry. Absolutely smokes the hell out of Kimber and Smith & Wesson. When SIG’s compact gun can out-shoot my full sized Kimber, that is saying something. And what it is saying is not complementary of Kimber.
The Scorpion has a nice set of Micarta scales with a matching Mag-Well. I like that. Packing it, well, a full sized grip with a Mag Well does make it rather long. While I am not sure if it’s longer than the Beretta 92’s, it feels longer. I don’t have a very good holster for packing this railed commander… I’ve never carried a Railed Commander before. Huh.
The nightsights on this Scorpion are very bright and clear.
The trigger is excellent.
I’m not sure if I’m liking the DK style trigger… straight, no curve to it. Compared to my Springer GI’s short trigger… I do prefer the GI’s. But does the Short or the DK trigger help me put rounds into the target better. I don’t know. I’ve only fired relatively few rounds through the Scorpion so far. And the Scorpion is indeed one seriously accurate pistol.
More about this gun as I get to know it.